Aviation Talking Point

Well looks like I’ll be flying G-VIIV once again on Sunday!


Flying this stunning aircraft for the second time this year, not to mention on the same route!

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JetBlue first A321XLR been spotted.

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Have you seen the helicopter crash in the Hudson River in NYC? It was truly shocking, even though the flight was “normal” and the pilot was a Navy Seal.

Yes I did.(it’s sad :sad_but_relieved_face:)

Why does bad things keep happening?!?

They always do. It’s just more in the news right now, because there were 2 or 3 big accidents in a row and the media started hyperfixating on aviation safety. It’ll die down

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As aviation enthusiasts and some of us even working in the aviation industry, it is our right to know what happened but it also our responsibility to firstly not assume the cause of accidents and let investigations run their course and secondly to learn from these accidents/incidents.

No one wakes up wanting to do a bad job in the cockpit or anywhere else for that matter when lives are at stake. Mistaken can and will happen. That’s the nature of the beast but if we are all able to learn and work together, aviation will be safer moving forward.

Interestingly enough, aviation is still safer than what it was 10, 20, 30, 50 years ago.

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I’m pretty frustrated with people hating on certain planes as well like “ThIs PlAnE iS sO uNsAfE!!1!1” You do realise that that plane probably flew many many flights and most of the incidents are just pilot error. I’m not even being biased here but I’m sick of people saying the dc10 is a “death chamber.” Can’t we just respect the legacy of every plane instead of slandering them for being “Unsafe”

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FWIW it was comparatively unsafe, even though it would still be tremendously unlikely to crash

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Yeah it didn’t have very good safety but I think all the hate is exaggerated

Sure. It’s worth noting tho that it was not pilot error. There were several massive design flaws (cargo doors opening inwards, leading to depressurization) that MDD knew about and actively lied about fixing, even after a first crash. It took two before the fleet was grounded. That pattern of lying, and pointing blame at the foreign baggage handlers (eg calling them illiterate when they spoke three languages) was what made the plane so dangerous.

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Ill give my honest opinion of the DC10, although i do love its 3 engine design, the flaws on this aircraft is unbelievable. (Especially the door cargo fault) and thought misleading and covering up fault was the way to do that. It mainly hit headlines on the cargo hold, the pylon on engines after that American incident in Chicago and UA where engine 2 failure lead to loss of controls, 1 DC10 in paris even managed to sabotage a Concorde which lead to a accident. They did developed a MD11 which although a huge improvement had its orders spooked because of the DC10. I will say it kinda fall into the same category of the 737Max other then the Max still gets orders while the MD11 orders where spooked. In fact other then orbis i dont even know any more DC10s still in operation today.

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Thank you man that helps a lot.

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If you ever need something to do, watch these videos of Kennedy Steve. (These videos are not mine)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_ei74pHoe4qfmuVrmQYP1LLJL25paqnr

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Lmao sabotage a Concorde? Tbf that could have happened to any airliner and that was a Concorde fault, not a Douglas one.

Do you mean it was Continental’s fault?

It did sabotage that Concorde with AF4590, that DC10 in question was N13067 which although it was indirectly and not a DC10 design flaw it still tarnish it’s reputation.

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What? I don’t believe that there was serious reputational damage for the DC10, it was overshadowed by the Concorde iirc.

And no. Aircraft should be able to sustain FOD ingestion without catching fire and crashing. Also, it is not exceptionally rare for aircraft to burst a tire on takeoff. And what source are you pulling that screenshot from? Cause that isn’t exactly good English, and therefore I wouldn’t necessarily trust the source

I got that from planespotters.net on N13067
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/mcdonnell-douglas-dc-10-30-n13067-continental-airlines/e96ywp?refresh=1

And no, it was a design fault on the Concorde, nothing to do with continental in my message